From lib@fyiowa.infi.netWed Apr 23 16:41:05 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:11:28 -0500
From: Bridget Janus 
To: Barbara Semonche 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Library

Good to hear from you. Everything is going well for Glenn and me. I have my
quarterly checkup tomorrow. Always a little anxious about that; but that's
the nature of the beast.
I'll be in Seattle; hope we can spend sometime together.
At 10:28 AM 4/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Bridget:
>	Many thanks for letting the list on the devastating effects of 
>the flood on the newspaper library in Grand Forks. Those people will be a 
>long time recovering from this flood of near-Biblical proportions. Please 
>let me know if there is anything we can do as a group to support 
>Jennelle and her library's recovery. It seems these past few years have 
>been disasterous in so many parts of the country. Earthquakes, floods, 
>hurricanes, tornados and then repeats of the very same disasters all over 
>again. 
>	All this reminds of an old, old story. One where an elderly lady
>was recalling all the enormous troubles her family were facing. . . 
>burdensome diseases, money woes, dissertion, death, the whole of human
>suffering. She ended her recollections with this statement: "I know the
>good Lord wouldn't give me any more troubles than I could cope with, but I
>just wish He didn't have such a good opinion of me." 
>	Hope all is going well with you, my friend. Warmest regards,
>
>Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
>UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
>Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
>Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
>		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/
>
>
>On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Bridget Janus wrote:
>
>> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:17:39 -0500
>> From: Bridget Janus 
>> To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
>> Subject: Grand Forks Library
>> 
>> An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
>> in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
>> Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
>> According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
>> lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
>> Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
>> Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
>> through the same thing. 
>> -----------------
>> Bridget Janus
>> lib@fyiowa.infi.net
>> The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>
-----------------
Bridget Janus
lib@fyiowa.infi.net
The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library




From semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.eduWed Apr 23 16:41:17 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:20:29 -0400
From: Barbara Semonche 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: Michael Jesse 
Cc: newslib 
Subject: Re: RE>Grand Forks Library

Michael:
	Right you are. I believe Richard Geiger (after coping with "the 
near-big one" in San Francisco a few years back) did a presentation on 
disaster control. He also wrote a chapter on it for "News Media Libraries: 
A Management Handbook" published by Greenwood Press in 1993. It is 
Chapter 12 and it has a valuable bibliography. Since I have the copyright 
to the book, I'll see what I can do about putting it on my web site for 
those who can't get their hands on a copy. I'll post the site later. 
	Best regards to all and high hopes for divine intercession for
all those in the flooded Red River valley. 

Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/


On 21 Apr 1997, Michael Jesse wrote:

> Date: 21 Apr 97 17:27:14 -0400
> From: Michael Jesse 
> To: newslib 
> Subject: RE>Grand Forks Library
> 
>          RE>Grand Forks Library                                97-04-21 11:17:39
>   As I recall, a few years ago someone did a conference presentation 
on "disaster planning."  I don't remember if it was  News Division event, 
though.  At the time it was one of those "ho hum" topics, but maybe we 
should all think about that again.  Fortunately, all of our archival 
materials are on the 3rd and 4th floors of our building, so we'd probably 
get through a flood.  But if our building burned to the ground tomorrow 
the only thing we'd save for certain is daily microfilm and the electronic text
archive -- and those only because duplicates exist elsewhere.
> =======================================
> Michael Jesse              Michael_Jesse@coxohio.com
> Library Director          (937)225-2201
> Dayton Daily News       (937)225-2277-fax
> 45 S. Ludlow St.
> Dayton OH 45402
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 4/21/97 1:24 PM
> From: Bridget Janus
> An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
> in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
> Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
> According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
> lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
> Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
> Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
> through the same thing. -----------------
> Bridget Janus
> lib@fyiowa.infi.net
> The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chardest@nando.comWed Apr 23 16:41:40 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 16:22:55 -0400
From: "Chris Hardesty (News Research)" 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I'm making inquiries about such and will alert the list to what I find. 
I've considered soliciting donations from vendors for the Herald library 
and/or gathering funds from vendors to sponsor Jenelle Stadstad in a 
trip to our conference in June. If she'll be rebuilding her library, is 
there a better place to start? The trouble is I don't know to get in 
touch with her to get her thoughts. Any ideas?
Chris

On Apr 22, 12:08pm, Pete Basofin wrote:
> Subject: Grand Forks Herald fund?
> Does anyone know if a fund has been started to help the Grand Forks 
Herald
> get back on its feet? Perhaps a journalism association has begun 
collecting
> money?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Pete Basofin
> Sacramento Bee Editorial Library
> pbasofin@inreach.com (personal)
> pbasofin@sacbee.com (office)
> http://home.inreach.com/pbasofin
> 
>-- End of excerpt from Pete Basofin

-- 
Chris Hardesty
News Research Department
The News & Observer
215 South McDowell St.
Raleigh, NC  27602
Phone: 919-829-8935
Fax: 919-829-8916
E-mail: chardest@nando.com


From geigerr@sfgate.comWed Apr 23 16:42:05 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Richard Geiger 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: RE>Grand Forks Library

We once had a basement flood and had a bunch of clippings freeze-dried.
There are companies that specialize in that sort of thing.

I also recall an article in News Library News about a flooded news library.
(Was it Charleston after Hugo?)

Richard G.

At 11:20 AM 4/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Michael:
>	Right you are. I believe Richard Geiger (after coping with "the 
>near-big one" in San Francisco a few years back) did a presentation on 
>disaster control. He also wrote a chapter on it for "News Media Libraries: 
>A Management Handbook" published by Greenwood Press in 1993. It is 
>Chapter 12 and it has a valuable bibliography. Since I have the copyright 
>to the book, I'll see what I can do about putting it on my web site for 
>those who can't get their hands on a copy. I'll post the site later. 
>	Best regards to all and high hopes for divine intercession for
>all those in the flooded Red River valley. 
>
>Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
>UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
>Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
>Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
>		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/
>
>
>On 21 Apr 1997, Michael Jesse wrote:
>
>> Date: 21 Apr 97 17:27:14 -0400
>> From: Michael Jesse 
>> To: newslib 
>> Subject: RE>Grand Forks Library
>> 
>>          RE>Grand Forks Library                                97-04-21
11:17:39
>>   As I recall, a few years ago someone did a conference presentation on
"disaster planning."  I don't remember if it was  News Division event,
though.  At the time it was one of those "ho hum" topics, but maybe we
should all think about that again.  Fortunately, all of our archival
materials are on the 3rd and 4th floors of our building, so we'd probably
get through a flood.  But if our building burned to the ground tomorrow the
only thing we'd save for certain is daily microfilm and the electronic text
archive -- and those only because duplicates exist elsewhere.
>> =======================================
>> Michael Jesse              Michael_Jesse@coxohio.com
>> Library Director          (937)225-2201
>> Dayton Daily News       (937)225-2277-fax
>> 45 S. Ludlow St.
>> Dayton OH 45402
>> 
>> --------------------------------------
>> Date: 4/21/97 1:24 PM
>> From: Bridget Janus
>> An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
>> in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
>> Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
>> According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
>> lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
>> Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
>> Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
>> through the same thing. -----------------
>> Bridget Janus
>> lib@fyiowa.infi.net
>> The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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San Francisco Chronicle
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From npaul@poynter.orgWed Apr 23 16:42:22 1997
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:28:12 -0400
From: Nora Paul 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: "'newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu'" 
Subject: RE: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I was wondering if it made sense to have everyone look through their
photo files and pull out any Grand Forks photos from years past, old
wire photos, etc. and if there were any that hadn't been used by your
paper, we could pull them all together as a care package for re-starting
the Library.  They are going to need "before" photos!   Everyone could
send them to SLA and we can have a photo file "barn raising" event.  

I don't think they even have a full-text database.  Maybe we could
create a database of news stories about Grand Forks that pulls from a
variety of sources and give it to them, too.  All I see is that their
business stories are in Business Dateline.

Anyway, just a thought.  I'll be happy to do the Nexis / Dialog type
research for  old news stories....

Nora Paul
Poynter Institute


>----------
>From: 	Chris Hardesty (News Research)[SMTP:chardest@nando.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, April 22, 1997 4:22 PM
>To: 	newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>
>I'm making inquiries about such and will alert the list to what I find. 
>I've considered soliciting donations from vendors for the Herald library 
>and/or gathering funds from vendors to sponsor Jenelle Stadstad in a 
>trip to our conference in June. If she'll be rebuilding her library, is 
>there a better place to start? The trouble is I don't know to get in 
>touch with her to get her thoughts. Any ideas?
>Chris
>
>On Apr 22, 12:08pm, Pete Basofin wrote:
>> Subject: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>> Does anyone know if a fund has been started to help the Grand Forks 
>Herald
>> get back on its feet? Perhaps a journalism association has begun 
>collecting
>> money?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Pete Basofin
>> Sacramento Bee Editorial Library
>> pbasofin@inreach.com (personal)
>> pbasofin@sacbee.com (office)
>> http://home.inreach.com/pbasofin
>> 
>>-- End of excerpt from Pete Basofin
>
>-- 
>Chris Hardesty
>News Research Department
>The News & Observer
>215 South McDowell St.
>Raleigh, NC  27602
>Phone: 919-829-8935
>Fax: 919-829-8916
>E-mail: chardest@nando.com
>
>

From dluxner@ma.ultranet.comWed Apr 23 16:42:32 1997
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dick Luxner 
To: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Grand Forks Flood Victim

Barbara,
Hope Tillman suggested you might wish to post the following message on
the NEWSLIB list for me since I am not a subscriber:

Hello everyone,

In Grand Forks, N.D. the city's newspaper has lost its entire morgue
in the fire and flood, but its archives on microfilm are on deposit
outside the city.  It looks as if someone will have to re-index all
those past archives to re-create a new morgue database.  Maybe some
of us might wish to ask for volunteers to help do the job for the
newspaper, The Grand Forks Herald, owned by Knight-Ridder, and produce
a real state-of-the-art morgue/database?"

I talked with the Herald's librarian, and she is much appreciative of
our offer to help, but they won't be able to do anything until about
July.  They are producing their paper from a nearby high-school.  I
had posted this on the Index-L and the Asis-l lists and several people
responded, including ASIS member Maryann Corbett who has offered to 
coordinate our efforts:

Maryann Corbett, Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952,  

Maryanne will be in contact with the Herald's librarian, Jenelle Stadstad,
who may be reached at 701-696-2220 if you wish to speak with her.

Dick
          
          __________________________________________________

          Dick Luxner, MLS - Fundraising Research Consultant
                PO Box 277 - Stow, Massachusetts  01775
              508-562-1288 - dluxner@ma.ultranet.com
           Member   APRA  NEDRA  ASIS  SLA  ASI  ALA  NENON
          __________________________________________________
  Neither can his mind be thought to be in tune, whose words do jarre;
       Nor his reason in frame, whose sentence is preposterous;
                 Nor his Elocution clear and perfect,
    Whose utterance breaks itself into fragments and uncertainties.
                             - Ben Jonson, Timber or Discoveries, 1641


From semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.eduWed Apr 23 16:42:41 1997
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:24:35 -0400
From: Barbara Semonche 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: NewsLib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Grand Forks Flood Victim (fwd)

To all:
	Here is a message from someone outside our list who would like to 
contribute some information on the news archives in Grand Forks. I 
thought it worthy of posting.

Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dick Luxner 
To: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Grand Forks Flood Victim

Barbara,
Hope Tillman suggested you might wish to post the following message on
the NEWSLIB list for me since I am not a subscriber:

Hello everyone,

In Grand Forks, N.D. the city's newspaper has lost its entire morgue
in the fire and flood, but its archives on microfilm are on deposit
outside the city.  It looks as if someone will have to re-index all
those past archives to re-create a new morgue database.  Maybe some
of us might wish to ask for volunteers to help do the job for the
newspaper, The Grand Forks Herald, owned by Knight-Ridder, and produce
a real state-of-the-art morgue/database?"

I talked with the Herald's librarian, and she is much appreciative of
our offer to help, but they won't be able to do anything until about
July.  They are producing their paper from a nearby high-school.  I
had posted this on the Index-L and the Asis-l lists and several people
responded, including ASIS member Maryann Corbett who has offered to 
coordinate our efforts:

Maryann Corbett, Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952,  

Maryanne will be in contact with the Herald's librarian, Jenelle Stadstad,
who may be reached at 701-696-2220 if you wish to speak with her.

Dick
          
          __________________________________________________

          Dick Luxner, MLS - Fundraising Research Consultant
                PO Box 277 - Stow, Massachusetts  01775
              508-562-1288 - dluxner@ma.ultranet.com
           Member   APRA  NEDRA  ASIS  SLA  ASI  ALA  NENON
          __________________________________________________
  Neither can his mind be thought to be in tune, whose words do jarre;
       Nor his reason in frame, whose sentence is preposterous;
                 Nor his Elocution clear and perfect,
    Whose utterance breaks itself into fragments and uncertainties.
                             - Ben Jonson, Timber or Discoveries, 1641



From lib@fyiowa.infi.netWed Apr 23 16:55:25 1997
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 11:17:39 -0500
From: Bridget Janus 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Grand Forks Library

An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
through the same thing. 
-----------------
Bridget Janus
lib@fyiowa.infi.net
The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library




From SusanM@spokesman.comWed Apr 23 16:55:36 1997
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:41:54 -0700
From: Susan Mulvihill 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib 
Subject: RE: Grand Forks Library


I wouldn't be surprised if every news librarian is reeling from this 
terrible loss and looking into the current state of their clipping and 
newpaper archives. We have our bound volumes stored in a vault about 10 
miles from our main office and you can bet that I will be checking into the 
current status of that building's security, internal atmospheric conditions, 
etc., later today.

To our compatriots in Grand Forks: please know that my thoughts are with 
you. What a trial to go through! It just seems to get worse every day. Let 
us know if there's anything we can do to help out.

Susan Mulvihill,
The Spokesman-Review/
Virtually Northwest
 ----------
From: newslib
To: newslib
Subject: Grand Forks Library
Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 9:22AM

An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
through the same thing.
 -----------------
Bridget Janus
lib@fyiowa.infi.net
The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library




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From michael_jesse@dni.comWed Apr 23 16:55:50 1997
Date: 21 Apr 97 17:27:14 -0400
From: Michael Jesse 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib 
Subject: RE>Grand Forks Library

         RE>Grand Forks Library                                97-04-21 11:17:39
  As I recall, a few years ago someone did a conference presentation on "
disaster planning."  I don't remember if it was  News Division event, though.  At the time it was one of those "ho hum" topics, but maybe we should all think about that again.  Fortu

nately, all of our archival materials are on the 3rd and 4th floors of our building, so we'd probably get through a flood.  But if our building burned to the ground tomorrow the only thing we'd save for certain is daily microfilm and the electronic text a

rchive -- and those only because duplicates exist elsewhere.
=======================================
Michael Jesse              Michael_Jesse@coxohio.com
Library Director          (937)225-2201
Dayton Daily News       (937)225-2277-fax
45 S. Ludlow St.
Dayton OH 45402

--------------------------------------
Date: 4/21/97 1:24 PM
From: Bridget Janus
An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
through the same thing. -----------------
Bridget Janus
lib@fyiowa.infi.net
The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library





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From fionahk@ihug.co.nzWed Apr 23 16:55:57 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:31:46 +1300
From: Fiona 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: RE>Grand Forks Library

Hello from a previous lurker!

I was just logging the item today about a fire in the midst of a flood
(Grand Forks), but didn't know what the building was. From the footage it
must have been difficult to watch the fire when no one could do anything.
My sympathies.

Fiona Hosick,
News Librarian,
TV3
New Zealand


>         RE>Grand Forks Library                                97-04-21
>11:17:39
>  As I recall, a few years ago someone did a conference presentation on
>"disaster planning."  I don't remember if it was  News Division event, though.
> At the time it was one of those "ho hum" topics, but maybe we should all
>think about that again.  Fortunately, all of our archival materials are on the
>3rd and 4th floors of our building, so we'd probably get through a flood.  But
>if our building burned to the ground tomorrow the only thing we'd save for
>certain is daily microfilm and the electronic text archive -- and those only
>because duplicates exist elsewhere.
>=======================================
>Michael Jesse              Michael_Jesse@coxohio.com
>Library Director          (937)225-2201
>Dayton Daily News       (937)225-2277-fax
>45 S. Ludlow St.
>Dayton OH 45402
>
>--------------------------------------
>Date: 4/21/97 1:24 PM
>From: Bridget Janus
>An AP story this morning notes that one of the buildings destroyed by fire
>in Grand Forks was the newspaper. It quotes the news librarian, Jenelle
>Stadstad, as saying "it makes me feel like I want to cry. I feel helpless.''
>According to the story, "brittile clippings'' and "yellowed photos were
>lost.'' Sounds like most of the archive is gone. But the paper published a
>Sunday edition through St. Paul Pioneer Press.
>Thought everyone would like to know and how we all shudder to think of going
>through the same thing. -----------------
>Bridget Janus
>lib@fyiowa.infi.net
>The Cedar Rapids Gazette Library



From amccallu@lfpress.comWed Apr 23 16:56:09 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:25:36 -0400
From: Anita Mccallum 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: RE>Grand Forks Library

This is a long message, but please bear with me.

Here at the London Free Press ( in Southwestern Ontario ) disaster
planning consultants were hired by the media group which oversees the London
Free Press and other media concerns to make recommendations for disaster
planning within the company.
Fortunately their recommendations were taken quite seriously by the Board of
Directors and hence a company wide task force was quickly formed and each
department was assigned the task to formulate a complete disaster recovery
plan.
 I was pleased to be assigned to the Editorial disaster planning group. I spent
many hours with my co-workers from Editorial to design a complete disaster
plan for each employee and each task within the newsroom, library included.
The education I got from this exercise was invaluable.  The attention to detail
was exhausting, but extremely rewarding.  Also rewarding was the attention paid
to the library archives.  When I made my library presentation to the
Editorship the looks on their faces as they realized what would be lost if
our library
archives were no more, was worth a picture.

There are now plans to complete and better secure offsite storage of
microfiched copies of library records. In Editorial, there are complete job
descriptions
of each position in the newsroom, complete phone and address lists of employees,
and complete plans on recreating an emergency newsroom and library in another
location if the emergency warrants it.

Sorry for the length of this, but this is an important issue.  And as we media
librarians know from the nature of our business, we never know when disaster
will strike.

That's all for now.




=======================================
Opinions expressed herein do not necessarily represent the opinions of the
London Free Press Printing Company.



From rcollins@BADLANDS.NODAK.EDUThu Apr 24 13:55:05 1997
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:15:56 -0600
From: rcollins@BADLANDS.NODAK.EDU
Reply to: Discussion List for Journalism Education 
To: JOURNET-L@AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: floods and archives (fwd)

>Jhistorians,
>
>As you know, the North Dakota and northwestern Minnesota areas have been
>hammered by the Red River of the North in recent weeks. One of the very
>sad events in the flooding was the destruction by fire of the Grand Forks
>Herald building, a 40,000-circulation Knight Ridder paper. My wife was a
>reporter at the Herald in the 1980s and we have several friends suffering
>as a result of the floods and fires.
>
>The newspaper's librarian/archivist informs us that all the archives --
>paper, microfilm, microfiche, everything -- went up in flames and are
>lost. These are records dating back to the 1880s. Further, at this writing
>the holdings of the university of North Dakota library are being evacuated
>and it is not certain which newspaper records have been saved.
>
>The librarian is asking anyone with old copies of the Herald, old
>photographs of Grand Forks, microfilm copies -- anything -- please
>consider donating them to the paper to building the collection again.
>
>If anyone on the list has old papers, microfilm, etc., of the Herald --
>hell, I know it's a long shot, but who knows what people have squirreled
>away -- contact me off list and I'll handle getting the stuff to the right
>people.
>

This is truly a tragic loss to historians. The state archives in Bismarck,
however, has a microfilm collection of the Herald going back quite a ways,
perhaps even to Issue One.

A lesson for all of us: copy those archives to microfilm and place them in
several collections. You never know.



Ross Collins, assistant professor
Department of Communication, North Dakota State University
Fargo, ND 58105 (701) 231-7295
Web Home Page:
http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/instruct/wwwinstr/personnel/rosscollins/rosscollin
s.html
"Life can only be understood backward, but must be lived forward."
--Soren Kierkegaard

From kfoley@express-news.netThu Apr 24 14:56:21 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 97 12:24:35 -0600
From: "Foley, Kathy" 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: Nora Paul , newslib 
Subject: RE: Grand Forks Herald fund?

-- [ From: Foley, Kathy * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

fyi, I just found the  Grand Forks Herald's archive (since 1994) on the
Knight-Ridder group of newspapers on Infinite.

Lots of good sentiments have been proposed, but I like the idea of bringing
their librarian to conference a lot.  She could let us know specifically
what she most needs - and we could plan our assistance based on her real
needs.  


-------- REPLY, Original message follows --------

Date: Wednesday, 23-Apr-97 10:28 AM

From: Nora Paul                \ Internet:    (npaul@poynter.org)
To:   newslib                  \ Internet:    (newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu)

Subject: RE: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I was wondering if it made sense to have everyone look through their photo
files and pull out any Grand Forks photos from years past, old wire photos,
etc. and if there were any that hadn't been used by your paper, we could
pull them all together as a care package for re-starting the Library.  They
are going to need "before" photos!   Everyone could send them to SLA and we
can have a photo file "barn raising" event.  

I don't think they even have a full-text database.  Maybe we could create a
database of news stories about Grand Forks that pulls from a variety of
sources and give it to them, too.  All I see is that their business stories
are in Business Dateline.

Anyway, just a thought.  I'll be happy to do the Nexis / Dialog type
research for  old news stories....

Nora Paul
Poynter Institute


>----------
>From: 	Chris Hardesty (News Research)[SMTP:chardest@nando.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, April 22, 1997 4:22 PM
>To: 	newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>
>I'm making inquiries about such and will alert the list to what I find. 
>I've considered soliciting donations from vendors for the Herald library 
>and/or gathering funds from vendors to sponsor Jenelle Stadstad in a 
>trip to our conference in June. If she'll be rebuilding her library, is 
>there a better place to start? The trouble is I don't know to get in 
>touch with her to get her thoughts. Any ideas?
>Chris
>
>On Apr 22, 12:08pm, Pete Basofin wrote:
>> Subject: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>> Does anyone know if a fund has been started to help the Grand Forks 
>Herald
>> get back on its feet? Perhaps a journalism association has begun 
>collecting
>> money?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Pete Basofin
>> Sacramento Bee Editorial Library
>> pbasofin@inreach.com (personal)
>> pbasofin@sacbee.com (office)
>> http://home.inreach.com/pbasofin
>> 
>>-- End of excerpt from Pete Basofin
>
>-- 
>Chris Hardesty
>News Research Department
>The News & Observer
>215 South McDowell St.
>Raleigh, NC  27602
>Phone: 919-829-8935
>Fax: 919-829-8916
>E-mail: chardest@nando.com
>
>


-------- REPLY, End of original message --------



From njsmith@bga.comThu Apr 24 16:22:35 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 14:03:11 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Dick Luxner ,
    Maryann Corbett ,
    semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Cc: TAHUDOBA@aol.com, osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu, csc6@Lehigh.EDU,
    lowNo@FOSTER.com
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald

Maryann, Dick, et al,

It seems that a very appropriate leader is to be found in Barbara Semonche
and the NewsLib list. I think we would do well to offer to work with their
team. As a librarian myself, I know that all libraries have their
ideosyncracies, none more so than the special library. News and
communications librarians will be more sensitive to what is needed. Also, I
think it would be a favor to the Herald librarian, Jenelle Stadstad, to
minimize the number of independent volunteer groups she has to keep track of.

I suggest that Maryann continue to lead the indexer-volunteers, but see if
it is appropriate to work through the NewsLib group.
It might be useful to collect all vounteers into a list we could use with
our mailers as a distribution list, especially since we are starting to
become a multiprofessional group.

Comments? Suggestions?
Neva


At 02:41 PM 4/24/97 -0400, Dick Luxner wrote:
>one of the SLA people sent me the following: 
>
> Dick, Thanks for your message. Our NewsLib list is already humming with 
> ideas and plans for helping the newspaper librarian in Grand Forks, but 
> your message carried very useful info which I posted to NewsLib. 
>	It's great when librarians from all geographic areas pull 
> together in times of crises. We are most appreciative of your help. 
>	Best regards,
>
> Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
> UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
> Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
> Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
>		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/
>
>So, it looks as if there are a lot of other people doing the same kind of
>thinking.  It is also probable that Knight-Ridder which owns the Grand 
>Forks Herald and also owns DIALOG and its software will be instrumental
>in helping the paper.  In fact, the Herald librarian, Jenelle Stadstad,
>said that she herself has no microfilm archives, but that DIALOG has 
>SOME text back only to 1987 or so.  She also said that there are probably
>complete microfilms at the Library of Congress and maybe the State Library 
>in Bismarck, but she has had no time to look into it yet.  
[snip] 
>Dick
>          __________________________________________________
>
>          Dick Luxner, MLS - Fundraising Research Consultant
>                PO Box 277 - Stow, Massachusetts  01775
>              508-562-1288 - dluxner@ma.ultranet.com
>           Member   APRA  NEDRA  ASIS  SLA  ASI  ALA  NENON


 < +> = * = < +> = * = < +> = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + > = * = < + >
Neva J. Smith, MLIS		         njsmith@bga.com
DataSmiths Information Services	         voice/fax   +1.512.244.2767
PO Box 2157			 	   	
Round Rock, TX 78680-2157		




From maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.usWed May  7 16:04:31 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:36:59 -0500
From: Maryann Corbett 
To: Barbara Semonche 
Cc: maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us, dluxner@ma.ultranet.com,
    njsmith@bga.com
Subject: Grand Forks, indexing volunteers

Greetings, Barbara,
Here is the list of people who have e-mail me or spoken with me to
volunteer indexing time for Grand Forks. There are eight of us, counting
me.

Noriko Low is the one who had extensive suggestions. I will forward to
you her two messages to me in a separate e-mail.
_________________________________________

Martha Osgood
Back Words Indexing
osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu

Dick Luxner, MLS - Fundraising Research Consultant
PO Box 277 - Stow, Massachusetts  01775
508-562-1288 - dluxner@ma.ultranet.com
Member   APRA  NEDRA  ASIS  SLA  ASI  ALA  NENON


Susan Funke
Knowledge Engineer
 Giga Information Group



Neva J. Smith, MLIS                      njsmith@bga.com
DataSmiths Information Services          voice/fax   +1.512.244.2767
PO Box 2157                                     
Round Rock, TX 78680-2157               

Noriko Low
Library Coordinator
Foster Pepper & Shefelman
1111 Third Ave Bldg Su 3400
Seattle, WA 98101
lowno@foster.com
(206) 447-2870
(206) 447-9700 fax

Teresa Hudoba
Indexers Plus
tahudoba@aol.com

Anna Moody
Indexers Plus 
612-481-7275
____________________________________

That's the list so far. Many, many thanks for your time on the phone and
your valuable advice.
-- 
Maryann Corbett
Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952

From dluxner@ma.ultranet.comWed May  7 16:04:39 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:45:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dick Luxner 
To: csc6@Lehigh.EDU
Cc: maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us, TAHUDOBA@aol.com,
    osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu, lowNo@FOSTER.com,
    semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, ppresley@truman.edu
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald

Suzanne, Thank you for locating the films and the indexes. I am
forwarding your message to Maryann Corbett, SLA and the others. 
Dick

>I went to OCLC's WorldCat to check where there might be microfilm of 
>the Herald.  It looks like at least the University of North Dakota 
>has it and there are probably others.  I also discovered that there 
>are at least three indexes to the Herald already, all at the U of 
>North Dakota.  It's not clear from the records what time periods they 
>cover, but one (done in 1982) is seven volumes.  If you'd like the 
>complete records, I'd be happy to email them to you.
>
>Suzanne Cole
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>C. Suzanne Cole, csc6@lehigh.edu
>Senior Information Retrieval Consultant
>Leader, College of Education Client Services Team
>Lehigh University Information Resources
>610-758-4890 (voice) * 610-758-6524 (fax)

            __________________________________________________

          Dick Luxner, MLS - Fundraising Research Consultant
                PO Box 277 - Stow, Massachusetts  01775
              508-562-1288 - dluxner@ma.ultranet.com
           Member   APRA  NEDRA  ASIS  SLA  ASI  ALA  NENON
          __________________________________________________ 
             To speak and to speak well, are two things. 
               A fool may talk, but a wise man speaks.
                                         - Ben Jonson


From maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.usWed May  7 16:04:49 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:51:13 -0500
From: Maryann Corbett 
To: Barbara Semonche 
Subject: [Fwd: Grand Forks recovery]

Hi again, Barbara--Here's the first of Noriko's e-mails
-- 
Maryann Corbett
Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952

  [ Part 2: "Included Message" ]

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:02:49 -0700
From: Noriko Low 
To: "'maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us'"
     
Cc: "'ebassett@u.washington.edu'" 
Subject: Grand Forks recovery

Hi - I'm a 1st yr GSLIS student at the University of Washington and just
found your email in our newsgroup from Dr. Fidel.  I had spoken to
Acting Dean, Dr. Bassett about the possibility of some coordinated
effort in recovery to give graduate library students experience in lieu
of field work.  To kill many birds with this "opportunity":

1.  students could get Directed Field Work credit for disaster recovery:
wet recovery, on-line reference work, cataloging, supervision of
techical  support staff or other non-library temps, and supervised in
networking efforts to replace collections and fund raising.
2. students could be paid (internship) if a contracted vendor in wet
recovery hires them.
3.  the work areas could include the University libraries, law
libraries, court and community libraries.  The work experience could be
extended to recovery in court clerk and vital records of any kind.  
4.  it would give an opportunity for volunteerism - clean up and support
beyond the assigned tasks in an 8 hour day - babysitting, data entry,
working at the food/disaster relief centers and shelters.

I could give a volunteer week (library related or not) in August thru
Sept, maybe more when I check things with my supervisor.  After water is
reconnected and folks can plan for the extra hands that could be
recruited in this manner, I think you could get more than just offers of
money and donations.  Whoever comes should be prepared for a 12-16 hour
day.

I didn't know who would coordinate recovery efforts beyond the mud -
please let me know.  I would appreciate it if you would cc Dean Bassett
of our library school   ebassett@u.washington.edu

Thanks

Noriko Low
Library Coordinator
Foster Pepper & Shefelman
1111 Third Ave Bldg Su 3400
Seattle, WA 98101
lowno@foster.com
(206) 447-2870
(206) 447-9700 fax




    


From maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.usWed May  7 16:04:57 1997
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:52:21 -0500
From: Maryann Corbett 
To: Barbara Semonche 
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Grand Forks recovery]

Here's Noriko's second e-mail to me.
-- 
Maryann Corbett
Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952

  [ Part 2: "Included Message" ]

Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 12:31:28 -0700
From: Noriko Low 
To: 'Maryann Corbett' 
Cc: "'dluxner@ma.ultranet.com'" ,
    "'ebassett@u.washington.edu'" 
Subject: RE: Grand Forks recovery

Thanks for the response -

A little background - I am one of the few trained (first aid, CPR,
triage) "Floor Wardens" on the 30th floor after our 6 floor remodel.  I
have attended disaster recovery seminars in lieu of Jane Hershman, our
Records Manager.  Before coming to Seattle in 94 to help my sister with
a newborn and two year old, I was in Las Vegas volunteering with the
food lines for the Catholic Worker and preparing meals for Franciscan
retreats.  I was a founding member of two Friends of the Library groups
and brought books from the West LA Regional group to the Amargosa Valley
Community group regularly in 1993.  I was editor for
Neighbor-to-Neighbor, the Westside Residents (West LA) Assn and helped
them with tree plantings.  I am now a board member with the American
Cancer Society Discovery Shop in Ballard, an upscale resale thrift shop.
 I had years of library volunteer work before this and helped unyuck a
friend's flooded car.

I would hope that someone with html experience could coordinate this -
chart the needs, the skills, the windows of time when housing,
communication and supervision is available and then let the volunteers
plug into a "what can I do" website.  I would like to learn how to do
this and am working now with an ASIS student - but it needs commitment
and time that I don't have right now - but please keep me posted if
someone gets this started.

With all the disasters I've been proximate to (LA riots, fires,
earthquake damage to my relations in LA), I cannot say why this
particular one strikes me - but every experience has helped me - and
they keep reminding us we're going to have the big one here soon.  Also
I would hope that the grad students would be infected with the spirit of
volunteerism.

Noriko Low
Library Coordinator
Foster Pepper & Shefelman
1111 Third Ave. Bldg Su 3400
Seattle, WA 98101-3299
(206) 447-2870
lowno@foster.com
 
>----------
>From: 	Maryann Corbett[SMTP:maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us]
>Sent: 	Thursday, April 24, 1997 11:19AM
>To: 	Noriko Low
>Cc: 	maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us; dluxner@ma.ultranet.com;
>ebassett@u.washington.edu
>Subject: 	Re: Grand Forks recovery
>
>Dear Noriko,
>
>Thank you for your message and your many good suggestions.
>
>At this stage, I am still trying to make contact with the newspaper
>librarian at the GFH. I am collecting names and trying to make
>preliminary plans, but nothing is decided until we find out what the
>newspaper actually wants and can use. I am also gathering information
>and ideas such as your own.
>
>The extremely tentative plans now in my head involve getting a copy of
>the microfilm archives and parceling out the films to indexer
>volunteers. That would at least create an index database. 
>
>The process of recreating a text database, either in hard copy or in
>electrons, looks like a much bigger job, one which is out of my league.
>Your suggestions have gone far beyond the job I envisioned, but they may
>be closer to the mark on which the GFH really needs. When I make contact
>with the librarian, I'll present them. Or you can try to get through
>yourself: GFNews1@GFHerald.com   The librarian's name is Jenelle
>Stadstad.
>
>I will continue collecting names and ideas and will try to keep people
>posted.
>-- 
>Maryann Corbett
>Language Specialist
>Office of the Revisor of Statutes
>Minnesota Legislature
>612-297-2952
>


From MWhitman@rigel.krmediastream.comWed May  7 16:05:11 1997
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 13:42:00 E
From: MaryLou Whitman 
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: 'Newslib' 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald


To all concerned newslibbers:

(I sent this message on 4/24, but it never seemed to have arrived, so   
here we go again.)

It might help you a bit to know that MediaStream has a copy of the Grand   
Forks Herald electronic archives on our SAVEcentral system in   
Philadelphia. (The Herald is a Knight-Ridder paper, and copies of all KR   
newspaper databases are on the SAVEcentral system.) Although the Herald   
had an in-house SAVE system, we have been maintaining their databases on   
SAVEcentral for Internet access (via Infinet). Unfortunately, the   
electronic archives only go back to December 1994, but that's a start.

Also, since the Herald has been sending their stories to the St. Paul   
Pioneer Press for printing, the Pioneer Press librarians have volunteered   
to enhance and archive the stories the Herald is currently publishing.   
This means MediaStream can continue to build the Grand Forks Herald   
databases, and we can to provide the Herald staff with access to the   
archives.

One of our staff spoke briefly with Jenelle Stadstad on two occasions   
this week and was able to pass on to Jenelle the concern and best wishes   
expressed by her colleagues on newslib.

Mary Lou Whitman
Director, Customer Support
MediaStream, Inc.
215-587-4417
mwhitman@krmediastream.com
 ----------
From:  owner-newslib
Sent:  Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:28 AM
To:  'newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu'
Subject:  RE: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I was wondering if it made sense to have everyone look through their
photo files and pull out any Grand Forks photos from years past, old
wire photos, etc. and if there were any that hadn't been used by your
paper, we could pull them all together as a care package for re-starting
the Library.  They are going to need "before" photos!   Everyone could
send them to SLA and we can have a photo file "barn raising" event.

I don't think they even have a full-text database.  Maybe we could
create a database of news stories about Grand Forks that pulls from a
variety of sources and give it to them, too.  All I see is that their
business stories are in Business Dateline.

Anyway, just a thought.  I'll be happy to do the Nexis / Dialog type
research for  old news stories....

Nora Paul
Poynter Institute


>----------
>From:  Chris Hardesty (News Research)[SMTP:chardest@nando.com]
>Sent:  Tuesday, April 22, 1997 4:22 PM
>To:    newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
>Subject:       Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>
>I'm making inquiries about such and will alert the list to what I find.
>I've considered soliciting donations from vendors for the Herald library   

>and/or gathering funds from vendors to sponsor Jenelle Stadstad in a
>trip to our conference in June. If she'll be rebuilding her library, is
>there a better place to start? The trouble is I don't know to get in
>touch with her to get her thoughts. Any ideas?
>Chris
>
>On Apr 22, 12:08pm, Pete Basofin wrote:
>> Subject: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>> Does anyone know if a fund has been started to help the Grand Forks
>Herald
>> get back on its feet? Perhaps a journalism association has begun
>collecting
>> money?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pete Basofin
>> Sacramento Bee Editorial Library
>> pbasofin@inreach.com (personal)
>> pbasofin@sacbee.com (office)
>> http://home.inreach.com/pbasofin
>>
>>-- End of excerpt from Pete Basofin
>
>--
>Chris Hardesty
>News Research Department
>The News & Observer
>215 South McDowell St.
>Raleigh, NC  27602
>Phone: 919-829-8935
>Fax: 919-829-8916
>E-mail: chardest@nando.com

From maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.usWed May  7 16:05:24 1997
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:25:30 -0500
From: Maryann Corbett 
To: Dick Luxner 
Cc: maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us, TAHUDOBA@aol.com,
    osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu, lowNo@FOSTER.com,
    semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu, ppresley@truman.edu, csc6@Lehigh.EDU,
    njsmith@bga.com, pplib@pioneerplanet.infi.net
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald

Dear folks,

I spoke on the phone yesterday with Barbara Semonche, the listowner of
the newslib list. She gave me lots of information about the needs of
users in newspaper libraries and promised to send me a chapter of her
book on the subject to help me understand what we're getting into here.
I hope I spoke for us all when I told her that what we aim to do is
whatever the newspaper needs us to do.

As of early afternoon on Friday, I still have not gotten through to
Jenelle Stadstad. I'm going to try calling Knight-Ridder in Miami, which
owns the GFH, in case they have someone there at the main office
coordinating efforts.

I'm hesitant to plan too much until I've done my reading of Barbara's
book, but I welcome any further suggestions you have. Sit tight and keep
thinking; we'll get this going yet. 

One last question: Dick, oh fundraising guru, if we need a grant for
getting copies of the microfilms, how should we get started on that?
-- 
Maryann Corbett
Language Specialist
Office of the Revisor of Statutes
Minnesota Legislature
612-297-2952

From semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.eduWed May  7 16:05:40 1997
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:31:14 -0400
From: Barbara Semonche 
To: maryann.corbett@revisor.leg.state.mn.us
Cc: dluxner@ma.ultranet.com, tahudoba@aol.com, osgood@darkwing.uoregon.edu,
    lowNo@foster.com, ppresley@truman.edu, csc6@lehigh.edu, njsmith@bga.com,
    pplib@pioneerplanet.infi.net, mwhitman@rigel.krmediastream.com,
    semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald (fwd)

Dear colleagues: 
	I thought the enclosed message about electronic full-text archives
of the GFH (going back to December 1994) would interest all of you. 
Obviously it would have impact on your indexing plans. 
	And Maryann, I've just mailed the chapter in my book covering 
newspaper indexing history, policies and procedures to you. I hope it 
will be helpful. 
	I, too, have not spoken directly with Jenelle Stadstad. But 
perhaps a brief summary of what ideas NewsLib subscribers have come up 
with might be helpful. We really do need to consult with her about what 
are her library's priorities. For now I've itemized the following:

	1. Request for support in getting Jenelle to our News Division 
conference scheduled for Seattle June 7-12.
	2. Help in locating and resupplying lost photos for the GFH library.
	3. Create an index to GFH microfilm (with aid from skilled volunteer 
indexers) to replace access to missing clip files. Grant funds will be 
necessary to underwrite extensive indexing.
	4. Reinstate access to electronic backfile (via Knight-Ridder's 
SAVE system) from December 1994 to the present.
	5. Volunteer support from St. Paul Pioneer-Press (which is 
publishing GFH temporarialy) library staff to create current electronic 
data files.
	6. Microfilm of GFH is available at several sites, but a complete 
list is not yet known to me.
	7. Several previously published index(es?) seem to exist, but not 
a complete list of coverage has yet appeared.
	8. If there are other sources of funds to help fill in for lost 
reference materials and equipment, I don't know about them as yet. 
	9. Disseminating disaster preparedness and recovery information 
to all newspaper librarians via the NewsLib list and the WWW.
	10 Other suggestions?

	For the time being, I'm saving all messages appearing on NewsLib 
about the GFH newspaper library. As new information appears, I'll keep 
this group posted. 

Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 97 13:42:00 E
From: MaryLou Whitman 
To: 'Newslib' 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald


To all concerned newslibbers:

(I sent this message on 4/24, but it never seemed to have arrived, so   
here we go again.)

It might help you a bit to know that MediaStream has a copy of the Grand   
Forks Herald electronic archives on our SAVEcentral system in   
Philadelphia. (The Herald is a Knight-Ridder paper, and copies of all KR   
newspaper databases are on the SAVEcentral system.) Although the Herald   
had an in-house SAVE system, we have been maintaining their databases on   
SAVEcentral for Internet access (via Infinet). Unfortunately, the   
electronic archives only go back to December 1994, but that's a start.

Also, since the Herald has been sending their stories to the St. Paul   
Pioneer Press for printing, the Pioneer Press librarians have volunteered   
to enhance and archive the stories the Herald is currently publishing.   
This means MediaStream can continue to build the Grand Forks Herald   
databases, and we can to provide the Herald staff with access to the   
archives.

One of our staff spoke briefly with Jenelle Stadstad on two occasions   
this week and was able to pass on to Jenelle the concern and best wishes   
expressed by her colleagues on newslib.

Mary Lou Whitman
Director, Customer Support
MediaStream, Inc.
215-587-4417
mwhitman@krmediastream.com
 ----------
From:  owner-newslib
Sent:  Wednesday, April 23, 1997 10:28 AM
To:  'newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu'
Subject:  RE: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I was wondering if it made sense to have everyone look through their
photo files and pull out any Grand Forks photos from years past, old
wire photos, etc. and if there were any that hadn't been used by your
paper, we could pull them all together as a care package for re-starting
the Library.  They are going to need "before" photos!   Everyone could
send them to SLA and we can have a photo file "barn raising" event.

I don't think they even have a full-text database.  Maybe we could
create a database of news stories about Grand Forks that pulls from a
variety of sources and give it to them, too.  All I see is that their
business stories are in Business Dateline.

Anyway, just a thought.  I'll be happy to do the Nexis / Dialog type
research for  old news stories....

Nora Paul
Poynter Institute


>----------
>From:  Chris Hardesty (News Research)[SMTP:chardest@nando.com]
>Sent:  Tuesday, April 22, 1997 4:22 PM
>To:    newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
>Subject:       Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>
>I'm making inquiries about such and will alert the list to what I find.
>I've considered soliciting donations from vendors for the Herald library   

>and/or gathering funds from vendors to sponsor Jenelle Stadstad in a
>trip to our conference in June. If she'll be rebuilding her library, is
>there a better place to start? The trouble is I don't know to get in
>touch with her to get her thoughts. Any ideas?
>Chris
>
>On Apr 22, 12:08pm, Pete Basofin wrote:
>> Subject: Grand Forks Herald fund?
>> Does anyone know if a fund has been started to help the Grand Forks
>Herald
>> get back on its feet? Perhaps a journalism association has begun
>collecting
>> money?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Pete Basofin
>> Sacramento Bee Editorial Library
>> pbasofin@inreach.com (personal)
>> pbasofin@sacbee.com (office)
>> http://home.inreach.com/pbasofin
>>
>>-- End of excerpt from Pete Basofin
>
>--
>Chris Hardesty
>News Research Department
>The News & Observer
>215 South McDowell St.
>Raleigh, NC  27602
>Phone: 919-829-8935
>Fax: 919-829-8916
>E-mail: chardest@nando.com


From ElisabethD@aol.comWed May  7 16:05:50 1997
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:42:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: ElisabethD@aol.com
Reply to: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
To: newslib@listserv.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald fund?

I know this isn't exactly the kind of fund you all had in mind, but Knight
Ridder has set up a fund to help Grand Forks Herald employees get back on
their feet:
If you're interested, checks can be made out to Knight-Ridder Fund/Grand
Forks Herald Fund and sent to: 
Knight-Ridder Fund
Knight-Ridder, Inc.
1 Herald Plaza
Miami FL 33132

Knight-Ridder's kicked in the first $100,000.

Liz Donovan
Miami Herald. 

From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:06:14 1997
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 21:36:28 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Subject: Comments on Barbara's GFH note

Dear Grand Forks Herald Support Team:
(that's us, and any new members we find along the way!)

Barbara wrote:
>Dear colleagues: 
>	I thought the enclosed message about electronic full-text archives
>of the GFH (going back to December 1994) would interest all of you. 
>Obviously it would have impact on your indexing plans. 

Naturally we would be interested in the indexing already done. Does the
SAVEcentral database use a thesaurus? If so, we may want to start with
that, adding other indexing as Jenelle Stadstad suggests. Are there other
database indexers on our team? (Besides me?)   A related point-- would the
Herald prefer the completed indexing to be input to their SAVE database? If
so, we may need to get computer database techs in on this.   *Yet
another related point--* Can one of the news librarians email some sample
SAVE records? I'd like to look at the format and type of indexing.  And
what is SAVE written in or based on?

By the way, does Ms. Stadstad know we are standing by to do more than
encourage her? I hesitate to go too far along in planning without her. It
is her library, after all. :-)

>3. Create an index to GFH microfilm (with aid from skilled volunteer 
>indexers) to replace access to missing clip files. Grant funds will be 
>necessary to underwrite extensive indexing.

There may need to be various format options for this indexing process. I
don't have a microfilm reader, for example. I could index from CD-ROM, a
web or ftp site containing the Herald in .pdf files, floppy disks, or plain
old paper copies of the film. What other formats might the other indexers use?

>7. Several previously published index(es?) seem to exist, but not 
>a complete list of coverage has yet appeared.

This is another item that will be of interest to the indexers. I know *I'd*
like to take a gander at extant indexes, just to see what was indexed. If
these were created by/for Herald staff, we might learn more about what they
might need in the way of access.

***Indexers***   A special note: I have experience combining Macrex and
Cindex indexes in both directions. I have found that importing Macrex files
into Cindex requires almost no clean up; while having tried it the other
way, there was a good deal of work cleaning up the files. We may want to
consider some of the logistics of this process. And what other indexing
software is being used on this team? Even if the results of the indexing go
into the SAVE database or another database, I'd work faster using my
regular software :-).
It may also save us all the time of learning the specific database software
if we worked in our own software and then got one or two people to work on
importing the indexing into the database. It would also reduce software
licensing expenses if we didn't all need the database software.


And as Barbara said:
>10 Other suggestions?

Neva





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From GVHatch@aol.comWed May  7 16:06:22 1997
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 03:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: GVHatch@aol.com
To: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Subject: Flood damage, volunteers

I would like to volunteer my services to help Grand Forks, ND replace their
destroyed records.  I was given your name as the person to contact to be put
on the list.  I am an indexer and would be happy to help restore any indexes
etc. that might need restoring.  Let me know if you still need volunteers and
if so, please put me on the list.  Thanks!

Gaylene Hatch
GVHatch@aol.com

Crito Indexing
1784 Essex Ave.
LaVerne, CA  91750        909-596-1576

From csc6@Lehigh.EDUWed May  7 16:06:50 1997
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:50:19 +0000
From: "C. Suzanne Cole" 
To: Barbara Semonche 
Cc: Dick Luxner 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald (fwd)

Barbara,

On 25 Apr 97 at 17:31, Barbara Semonche wrote:
> 	7. Several previously published index(es?) seem to exist, but not 
> a complete list of coverage has yet appeared.

Here's what I've been able to glean from the University of North
Dakota's library catalog on the indexes that they have of the
Herald. Since they are all in either Special Collections or their
Reference department,I assume they would need to be used in house, 
but maybe a special arrangement could be made with the librarians 
there. My notes are in brackets.

1.  {Coverage from 1959 to 1962; not clear who the author is}
      LOCATION: REFERENCE AN2 .G69 Index index table 7-A
      LOCATION: EB Robinson Dept SpCol AN2 .G69 Index
     Libraries: NGF UND
         TITLE: Grand Forks Herald index, 1959-1962.
     PUBLISHER: Grand Forks, N.D. : Chester Fritz Library, University
                   of North Dakota, 1965.
     DESCRIPTN: 84 leaves ; 28 cm.

2. {Coverage: obituaries only from 1973-1980}
      LOCATION: EB ROBINSON Dept SpCol MSS. OGL #788
         TITLE: Grand Forks Herald obituary file records, 1973-1980.
     DESCRIPTN: 2.5 linear ft.
       SUMMARY: Handwritten index of obituaries from the Grand Forks
                   Herald, alphabetically arranged under each month.
                   Each entry includes names of the decedent and the
                   date obituary appeared in the newspaper.

3.{Coverage: 1982 to 1988}
      LOCATION: REFERENCE OVERSIZE  AI21.G7 G7 index table 4A
  Availability: ----Type  DS  for Location & Details
         TITLE: Grand Forks herald index.
     PUBLISHER: [Grand Forks, N.D. : Chester Fritz Library, 1982-1988.
     DESCRIPTN: 7 v. ; 30 x 40 cm. REPRODUCD: Computer printout.

4. {Coverage: 1980-81}
      LOCATION: EB Robinson Dept SpCol AI21.G7 I52
      LOCATION: REFERENCE AI21.G7 I52 INDEX TABLE 4A
     Libraries: NDS NGF UND
         TITLE: Index to the Grand Forks herald.
     PUBLISHER: [Grand Forks, N.D. : University of North Dakota,
     1980?- DESCRIPTN: v. ; 28 cm. CHRONOLGY: Jan./June 1980-
***SUMMARY     type DSD for detail holdngs    1980-81 

5. {Obituaries only, October to December 1985?}
      Library: U OF ND - CFL
      LOCATION: EB Robinson Dept SpCol GENEALOGY AI21.G7 D4 1985
        AUTHOR: Deats-O'Reilly, Diana, 1941-
         TITLE: Index of obituaries / compiled by Diana Deats-O'Reilly.
     PUBLISHER: Grand Forks, N.D. : The Author, 1985.
     DESCRIPTN: 4 v. in 1  ; 28 cm.
      CONTENTS: Oct. 1-15, 1985 -- Oct. 16-31, 1985 -- November 1985
                   -- December 1985.

6. {This one is at several libraries and includes newspapers other 
than the Herald. Date coverage is unclear -- just says "1916" for the 
Herald}
       Library: U OF ND - CFL
      LOCATION: EB Robinson Dept SpCol F636 .M54 1991
     Libraries: NDI NDS NDW NGF NMI NMY UND NFG UNW
        AUTHOR: Miller, Michael M., 1943-
         TITLE: North Dakota centennial newspaper index, 1989 /
         compiled by Michael M. Miller.
     PUBLISHER: Fargo, N.D. : Reference Dept., North Dakota State
                   University Libraries, 1991.
     DESCRIPTN: vii, 124 p. ; 28 cm.
       SUBJECT: Minot daily news--Indexes.
       SUBJECT: Grand Forks herald (Grand Forks, N.D. : 1916 :
       Morning) --Indexes.
       SUBJECT: Forum (Fargo, N.D.)--Indexes.
       SUBJECT: Devils Lake daily journal (Devils Lake, N.D. : 1969)
                   --Indexes.
       SUBJECT: Bismarck tribune (Bismarck, N.D. : 1916)--Indexes.
       SUBJECT: North Dakota--Indexes.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
C. Suzanne Cole, csc6@lehigh.edu
Senior Information Retrieval Consultant
Leader, College of Education Client Services Team
Lehigh University Information Resources
610-758-4890 (voice) * 610-758-6524 (fax)

From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:00 1997
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 14:36:30 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Subject: Grand Forks Herald Project

Maryann and Barbara, Dick, and Support Team:

Dick's correspondence with Donna Harman gives us something to think about.
The first thing is that we need to understand that the indexing is one part
of the project and putting the actual articles and images in their final
format is a separate part.

In my note of 4/25 I mentioned that it could be useful to have the
mircofilm images on disk (CD) or on the web (PDF). My thought when I
suggested it was not that it would be the final form of the information as
used by the Herald staff- but it would be a convenient form for the
indexers. The images don't have to be absolutely perfect to be indexed.
I've seen some difficult copies of proof pages in my work. If we could get
Adobe (the creator of Adobe Acrobat- the PDF format) to donate
services/software, perhaps they could convert the microfilm- for indexing
purposes. They could certainly get a lot of good publicity! The Acrobat
reader is free- any indexer can download it.
[OK, Exec. Committee- Maryann, Barbara, Dick- what do you think?]

So, one branch of this effort needs to look into what final form the Herald
would want to use. I haven't heard anything else about the current
database. Has anyone been able to find out about the SAVE
database/software? And what the records look like?

Another branch needs to find out how the back issues can be distributed to
the indexers. This need not be in the same format as the above. Also, for
the indexers to work they/we need to know exactly what parts of the paper
are indexed in the current database. And to find out from Jenelle if she
wants anything else indexed.

Best to All-
Neva

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:11 1997
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:54:46 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Cc: cskuster@library.lib.binghamton.edu, JanCW@aol.com, JanCW@compuserve.com,
    JPerlman@aol.com, bero@cyberspace.com,
    Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com>, njsmith@bga.com,
    PilarW@aol.com, Wildefire@aol.com, seth@ora.com
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald Project- more help! +

>Sender: maryann@itasca.revisor.leg.state.mn.us
>Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 15:23:39 -0500
>From: Maryann Corbett 

>I like the idea about help from Adobe. I keep wanting to ask, whom else
>could we get help from? 

I have a date with Frances Lennie of Indexing Research to meet at the ASI
conference this month. She's cautiously interested in helping with
services/software.

As a member of the ASI Web Site Committee, I will suggest we include this
opportunity for public service on the web page. It would have to be *after*
we know how we will approach the indexing problems of access to the
material and have a method of organization for the project. We need to know
what to tell people! 

I think we will only have to ask to get plenty of help. We just need to be
able to outline the request in specific terms. Such as "index one year of
the Herald; source will be PDF files on the Internet; use Macrex, Cindex,
or any software that will produce a comma delimited file."

Also, Donna's suggestion about the library schools reminded me to call my
library school indexing instructor. She always looks for "real life"
projects for her indexing class. I have also mentioned the volunteer
opportunities to my ASI chapter cohorts. My first indexing project was a 25
cumulative index of a library journal, done for that class.


>Finally, I keep trying to read Barbara's chapter on newspaper libraries,
>and I notice in her bibliography references to papers presented at ASI
>conferences that look pertinent to this task. 
Wonderful!

I'm going to send a
>message to the list, see if their authors are still among us, and ask
>for their input. 

And maybe electronic copies for the volunteer indexers? Those of us who
haven't indexed newspapers before might like a little background reading.

Neva

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:17 1997
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 20:58:42 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: JanCW@aol.com  Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Cc: cskuster@library.lib.binghamton.edu, JanCW@compuserve.com,
    JPerlman@aol.com, bero@cyberspace.com, 76620.456@compuserve.com,
    PilarW@aol.com, Wildefire@aol.com, seth@ora.com
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald Project- more help! +

Jan,
You are right- that's a good idea that ought to be considered. Thanks much.
Am forwarding to the GFH Support Team!

Maryann, Barbara, GFH Support Team:

Jan Wright, an ASI indexer and one of ASI's Webmasters Emeritus, responds
to my earlier message below. Even though there is the SAVE database, if we
go to the trouble to use PDF files, think about her suggestion.

At 06:12 PM 5/5/97 -0400, JanCW@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-05-05 17:24:19 EDT, njsmith@bga.com (Neva J. Smith)
>writes:
>
>> 
>>  I think we will only have to ask to get plenty of help. We just need to be
>>  able to outline the request in specific terms. Such as "index one year of
>>  the Herald; source will be PDF files on the Internet; use Macrex, Cindex,
>>  or any software that will produce a comma delimited file."
>>  
>Actually, if you are considering using PDF files as sources, why not take the
>final step and have the final index linked into those same PDF files --
>automatically making them into online indexes?
>
>Just a thought...
>
>Jan
>
>

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:24 1997
Date: Mon, 05 May 1997 21:18:42 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald Project- more help! +

GFH Support Team:

>From Lori Lathrop, the Vice-President/President-Elect of the American
Society of Indexers!
I bet the indexing can and will be done!
Notice the idea of hypertext links...
Neva

>Date: 05 May 97 21:42:40 EDT
>From: Lori Lathrop <76620.456@CompuServe.COM>
>Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald Project- more help! +
>
>Jan said:
>>>Actually, if you are considering using PDF files as sources, why not
take the
>final step and have the final index linked into those same PDF files --
>automatically making them into online indexes?>>
>
>Great minds think alike!  I was thinking the same thing.  PDF forces page
breaks
>... so it's okay for providing printed output.  However, the real beauty
of PDF
>is that it's fairly easy to create hypertext links from index entries to the
>appropriate text.  If the Grand Forks Herald already has PDF for back issues,
>they're half way there.
>
>Oh, yeah, one other thing ... I absolutely agree that ASI could use this
kind of
>public service project to generate a lot of terrific PR.  Of course, I may be
>just a bit biased 'cuz I grew up in North Dakota.  :-)
>
>Happy indexing ....  Lori
>
>
>
>
>

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:31 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:39:53 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project: Web page idea

Dear Herald Support Team:

The American Society of Indexers (ASI) is interested in linking to a web
page that is devoted to the Herald Project. It would be a place (or another
place) to recruit volunteers, let the all the volunteers know what's
happening, document this project for the possible benefit of other groups
wanting to help organizations damaged by natural disasters, and other
purposes as the Team suggests.

The site could house general information about newspaper libraries,
indexing for newspapers, and news from the Herald itself about how things
are coming along.

We would need web server space somewhere....

What do you think of this idea?

Comments from some ASI Web Committee folks...


>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 06:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project
>
>yes, a great idea for the current announcements page.  this is a project
>for which we'd want a participant in the project to write the text for the
>web page.  whenever they wanna update us, they could send us new text.
>(that is, if they don't create their own web site through which they can 
>keep all interested parties informed of their progress.  if _that_
>were the case, we could just link to it.)...
>
>re: newspaper indexing page -- yes!  wouldn't it be terrific to have at
>least one page written about newspaper indexing,    it seems
>timely to prepare for one on newspaper indexing, as we can mount it around
>the time this project has some info for us to mount.  
>
>
>On Tue, 6 May 1997 :
>> Neva,
>> 
>> This sounds like good fodder for the "Current Announcements" page?!
>> I picture a notice there, with links to page(s) describing the project, and
>> perhaps even newspaper indexing, in more detail?
>> 
>> What a *great* project,
>> 
>> Pilar
(ASI's Web Committee Chair)

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:49 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 15:12:38 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Maryann Corbett ,
    Barbara Semonche 
Subject: Re: GFH project-

Maryann and Barbara,
I asked Donna if she wanted to continue to be informed about our project.
Her reply is below- short version, Yes. So please keep her on the
distribution list.
Neva

>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 15:31:41 -0400
>Reply-To: harman@rhino.ncsl.nist.gov
>From: harman@rhino.ncsl.nist.gov
>To: njsmith@bga.com
>Subject: Re: GFH project-
>X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII
>
>
>Yes, I am curious about what happens.  I don't often get a chance to see
>the larger picture of information retrieval.  If there is something I
>can contribute to, I will.
>
>You might look into systems that convert directly from microfilm to
>OCR'd images.  This is not something I know about, but they must exist.
>
>Donna
>
>
>

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:09:56 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:08:19 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Maryann Corbett ,
    "C. Suzanne Cole" ,
    Charlotte Skuster ,
    Jan Wright , "Jan C. Wright" ,
    JPerlman@aol.com, Kari Bero ,
    Lori Lathrop <76620.456@compuserve.com>, Neva Smith ,
    Pilar Wyman , Lynn Moncrief ,
    Seth Maislin ,
    Nancy Cannon 
Cc: Barbara Semonche 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project: Web page idea

Dear ASI Web Committee, Maryanne, and Suzanne:

It looks as though we may have a server site for the GFH project. And a
lead web spinner. Go check out Barbara's page to see her qualifications in
action. (URL in her sig below) Suzanne and I will be on the GFH web team
and I will be the liaision to the ASI Web Com. I'm sure GFH will develop a
deeper web team in the near future as I hear back from people about the web
idea posting.

All we need is beginning material! Maryann and Barbara- can you put
together an overview of the materials to date? What happened, the response
from the library and indexer community, and a watch this space? From our
e-mail discussions, that is.

Cyber committees are the most effective committee structure I've ever seen!
Neva

>Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:32:18 -0400
>From: Barbara Semonche 
>To: "Neva J. Smith" 
>Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project: Web page idea
>
>Neva and the rest of the supporters:
>	If your organization needs a web site to serve as home for your 
>web page, I can offer Sunsite as a possibility. Sunsite, a large "Sun 
>server" is located on the UNC-Chapel Hill (North Carolina) campus. I have 
>web authoring skills and would be able to serve as your "web mistress." 
>There would be no charge for the site or the service. If you wish, you 
>may wish to check my web site; the URL is located below in my signature 
>file. 
>	Best regards,
>
>Barbara P. Semonche, Library Director	(Listowner: NewsLib, NCSLA)	
>UNC-CH School of Journalism and Mass Communication
>Howell Hall, CB# 3365			Phone: 919/962-1204, Fax: 962-0620
>Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3365		E-mail: semonch@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
>		Semonche's URL  http://sunsite.unc.edu/journalism/
>
>
>On Tue, 6 May 1997, Neva J. Smith wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 09:39:53 -0500
>> From: Neva J. Smith 
>> To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
>> Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project: Web page idea
>> 
>> Dear Herald Support Team:
>> 
>> The American Society of Indexers (ASI) is interested in linking to a web
>> page that is devoted to the Herald Project. It would be a place (or another
>> place) to recruit volunteers, let the all the volunteers know what's
>> happening, document this project for the possible benefit of other groups
>> wanting to help organizations damaged by natural disasters, and other
>> purposes as the Team suggests.
>> 
>> The site could house general information about newspaper libraries,
>> indexing for newspapers, and news from the Herald itself about how things
>> are coming along.
>> 
>> We would need web server space somewhere....
>> 
>> What do you think of this idea?
>> 
>> Comments from some ASI Web Committee folks...
>> 
>> 
>> >Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 06:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
>> >Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project
>> >
>> >yes, a great idea for the current announcements page.  this is a project
>> >for which we'd want a participant in the project to write the text for the
>> >web page.  whenever they wanna update us, they could send us new text.
>> >(that is, if they don't create their own web site through which they can 
>> >keep all interested parties informed of their progress.  if _that_
>> >were the case, we could just link to it.)...
>> >
>> >re: newspaper indexing page -- yes!  wouldn't it be terrific to have at
>> >least one page written about newspaper indexing,    it seems
>> >timely to prepare for one on newspaper indexing, as we can mount it around
>> >the time this project has some info for us to mount.  
>> >
>> >
>> >On Tue, 6 May 1997 :
>> >> Neva,
>> >> 
>> >> This sounds like good fodder for the "Current Announcements" page?!
>> >> I picture a notice there, with links to page(s) describing the
project, and
>> >> perhaps even newspaper indexing, in more detail?
>> >> 
>> >> What a *great* project,
>> >> 
>> >> Pilar
>> (ASI's Web Committee Chair)
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>
>

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:10:10 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:39:05 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Maryann Corbett 
Cc: Barbara Semonche 
Subject: Re: Grand Forks Herald project: Web page idea

Hi Maryann and Barbara

At 04:21 PM 5/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, Neva,
>
>I can start writing tomorrow. Just to let you know: I called the North
>Dakota State Library to ask them the question, "Just how much microfilm
>are we talking about?" The answer: about 900 reels. When I heard that
>number I started to wonder a lot about space limitations.

That's a pretty intimidating number. Of course, our project doesn't need to
be done on a rush schedule- If we started from the present and worked
backward by the decade we wouldn't need to have so much converted/stored on
website at one time. Even if we get Adobe to convert everything, we can
keep it on disks and mount only the sections we are working on on the web
site.

Barbara, what do you think?

>I'm told that the folks at the Minnesota Historical Society know a lot
>about transforming microfilm to digital images. They're right up the
>street, and I plan to call them tomorrow. They also own some GFH
>holdings from the '50s, so it would be possible for them to experiment
>with films that are sorta old and see how well or badly they come out.

That could be a useful experiment.

>Should I ask them if they would be willing to do so, as a part of our
>preliminary investigations? If so, exactly what format should I ask them
>to create, or is "PDF" specific enough?

PDF should be specific enough.

Have either of you heard from Dick lately?
Perhaps we can give him the job of contacting Adobe about coversion
services donation. :-D

Neva

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:10:24 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:56:29 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Grand Forks Herald Support Team:  ;
Subject: New GF Herald Team Member

Maryann, Barbara, and All:

I am forwarding the note from Larry Baker, a new volunteer for our Team.
He has numerous connections with GFH, including folks who might donate
goods or services....
Please welcome Larry!
Neva

>To: "Neva J. Smith" 
>From: Larry Baker/GRI/International Thomson Publishing
>  
>Date:  6 May 97 17:19:44 EDT
>Subject: Re: Newspaper indexers
>
>Hi, Neva. Boy, you weren't kidding about sending stuff out. But count me
in as 
>a part of your volunteer team. I've got a myriad of reasons for being 
>interested, not least of which, of course, is to help out folks who have
plenty 
>of other things to worry about!
>
>**As I mentioned, I used to be a newspaper indexer. I worked for a year
and a 
>half as an index editor at UMI (University Microfilms). I was in charge of a 
>staff that indexed the San Francisco Chronicle and the Washington Times.
(Talk 
>about opposite ends of the political spectrum!). I worked with a thesaurus
and 
>we indexed most of the paper, though we generally skipped wire service
stories.
>
>**My father, before he retired in the early 90s, worked for Knight Ridder.
In 
>fact, he was VP of News, and counted among his responsibilities none other
than 
>the Grand Forks Herald. I talked with him a couple weeks ago about the 
>situation in Grand Forks, and he was pretty sad about it. He said Grand
Forks 
>was always one of his favorite stops.
>
>**A good friend of mine worked for the GFH for 2 or 3 years, so I'd always
hear 
>North Dakota stories from him. When I spoke with him a few weeks ago, he 
>assumed his house was history, since "I could see the Red River from my
living 
>room."
>
>**I saw in the many emails you forwarded to me an email from Nora Paul
from the 
>Pointer Institute. I don't know how involved she is with this, but we worked 
>together on a project for Gale Research (where I work now) back in the early 
>90s.
>
>Anyway, these are all interesting connections (for me) to the GFH indexing 
>project. I might mention that when I worked at UMI (1981-89), they would 
>occasionally donate materials to libraries after disasters. Don't know if
they 
>microfilmed GFH, but someone might check with them about that. Thanks for 
>forwarding the materials, and I'll look forward to helping out where I can.
>
>Larry Baker
>Larry_Baker@gale.com
>Managing Editor, Cultures & Customs Team
>Gale Research
>835 Penobscot Building
>645 Griswold St.
>Detroit, MI 48226-4094
>
>

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From njsmith@bga.comWed May  7 16:10:30 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 16:56:33 -0500
From: "Neva J. Smith" 
To: Larry Baker/GRI/International Thomson Publishing 
Cc: Maryann Corbett ,
    Barbara Semonche 
Subject: Re: Newspaper indexers


Larry,

I can't believe the good fortune that brought you to our cyber committee.
Please accept my personal welcome!

Also a personal favor request- to help my filters on my Eudora e-mail-
could you put "GFH" or "Herald" in your subject lines? I get more than 200
messages per day and I need some sort of sanity in dealing with them...

Neva

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